Although I like both these guns, shooting slugs from them can be painful, especially after a dozen shots. From below, I had it on the bench when I was using the dremel for the stock set, so it going to clean this one and potentially just buy a nicer one. The fixes are about the same as the Saiga, but there is less need for friction work. The Saiga-12 costs about $610 these days, and this gun retails for nearly twice that much. I am assuming your problem is with the trigger somewhere, but I can't be certain. Better to have more pellets and a little less penetration which is what you get with a normal 15 pellet magnum load. Then I thought maybe the SGM 12rd magazine was the problem, so I switched to the factory 5rd, same problem. The Vepr-12 is exported worldwide. The list calls 1400fps rifled slughs high powered ammo, but i have some Hornady 9 pellet 00 that runs 1600fps. What would happen is the quality would degrade. I managed to take it apart and deburr all of them. 31 0 0. I headed out to the range after re-installing everything and took three boxes of shells with me. Vepr 12 shotguns are designed for self-defense. Even with the availability of Saiga-12 and VEPR-12 shotguns, the pro 3-gun shooters still dont use them. Sign In; Register . Clear editor. You are all CRAZY. Again read the instructions! No complaints thus far. I am glad to see them at $800 though. Early vepr molot import with the factory folder. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Is the type of jam always the same (spent shell not being fully ejected, shell getting stuck on feed ramp, etc.). This results in roughness in the action and (FTE) Failure to Eject problems. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I received my VEPR-12 shortly after the ban on Russian imports began and probably paid a little too much for it, but what the heck! Guess ill just keep running hot loads through it (which is never something to complain about lol) in hopes that i can one day dump a full 10 round mag without a FTE OR it costing me $1 per trigger pull lol. and if possible side folding stock, but most of available options required a special adaptor. ATF is always looking for a new avenue of prosecution. Ive seen some of the video and it looks like Vepr-12 doesnt like some optics on its top rail. Makes sense that the cycling of the action might be a bit rough and too tight to cycle low velocity rounds. This is Russian AK; is built of steel, like Russian T-34 tank. No longer do you have to count your rounds and then muscle the new magazine into place with the bolt forward, it locks open just like an AR-15. Somethingto try and may help. Stock Saigas often simply didnt work at all. But i WILL b racking the hell outta that sgm mag once i get home because the issue seems to be alot worse with the sgm. Very easy to do. I live in the shotgun only part of Michigan, and Ive been using a saiga with an eotech for the last two years. similar to taking down Al Capone for tax evasion). The aftermarket for Veprs has gotten much better in the past few years as well. I slicked up the feeding ramp on my first one But in hind sight that was just lazy. I keep my mini-Vulcan leaning on the wall next to my bed with two belt filled cans. Your previous content has been restored. Oh, and the best part: The bolt is held open after the last round fires. We also run a full rapid ammo dump on the VEPR- 12. He posted these pictures and made youtube videos. Top competitors compete with what their sponsors tell them to so they serve as walking advertisements. The sights are nice, and the full length rail along the top is a very nice touch, but it would be more useful if the stock wouldnt get in the way so much. I used my dremel with a carbide cutter (dremel bit #9910). Sometimes those things find their ways into the wrong hands. On the flip side, you have to draw the line somewhere and if there were a rating category for every possible facet of a firearm then the ratings would be longer than the review article. Post break in, its one of my favorite handguns. The Vepr-12 can use the same magazines as the Saiga-12 with modifications, but the Saiga-12 cannot use Vepr-12 magazines and drums. I think the best point in this review is what do you use it for? Does anyone know if the 20-shot drum magazine (for instance for Saiga) operates with this Molot Vepr? If run out of ammo, beat enemy to death with magazine!! The Vepr 12 shotgun is a hefty piece of machinery. the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. My vepr 74 needed the fcg polished, it wouldn't reset on its own because shit was gritty and would catch and not let go. Like having a pistol that shoots .22, 9mm, .40, .45, and .357 magnum interchangeably. However, no variable regulating mechanism is present. The SF short mags are prolly the best buy for power and other uses, but the max barrier penetration loads have more ass. I thought about the annoyance of trying to load magazines (cant leave them loaded for years on end or the springs get even less reliable), rock & lock, and engage an intruder Id have to ask for a time out and heaven forbid the darn thing jams as sometimes happened at the range. Thx all for the feedback, glad this isnt contributing to my fte issuesback to the drawing board for me. In no way do I represent the opinion of TTAG when I say: if you dont like the subjective ratings, then simply ignore them. I swapped the furniture on my VEPR 12 (slant cut, thumbhole stock) and ever since then I've had some issues with trigger reset. With the cheek pad in place I couldnt get a good sight picture, and with it removed I couldnt get any kind of cheek or even chin weld on the stock. The first, and tightest, was Federal's LE 12700 that showed the sights were regulated low and right, which was quickly corrected without tools on the adjustable tangent rear. I heard an intruder in my house once and grabbed my Vaquero. their 00B really are 00 sized, and are generally harder, rounder and plated, as well as buffered. You have entered an incorrect email address! . Have they solved the dis-assembly pin warp problem on the VEPR 12 yet? Instead of the standard AK safety selector, some Vepr-12 shotguns have an ambidextrous safety that can be manipulated from either side of the receiver. You left out a very important feature of the bolt-release button on the VEPR-12, which acts like the bolt release on an AR-15. Press J to jump to the feed. It is a lot of fun to blast a bunch of lead pellets at pumpkins or other deserving food items. It was wisely placed here making it ambidextrous. The Vepr-12 is also chrome lined throughout, including the gas block, barrel, and chamber, affording the shotgun excellent corrosion resistance. Other's claimed that replacing the recoil spring did the trick for them and for many, that might be enough to get their rigs running normally..every gun will be a bit different. You can also connect 2 together doubling your capacity. Classic Firearms just put these on sale for $799/shipped. That is the bolt lock. July 25, 2013 in Vepr-12, so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. If you can get a few pictures I can at least compare with my Vepr 12. Where is the best place to buy the vepr12. The second one I bought was at issue. I was still having some issues with the low brass ammo. But the question remains: is the gas piston supposed to have a little side to side play in it? No, I just tried and the hammer resets even if I pull the charging handle back less than would be required for a shell ejection, which it is. I don't know about VEPRsbut my S12 won't cycle if you don't have it firmly shouldered. You cannot paste images directly. Its annoying and frustrating, and if this were my gun that would be the first thing to go. Hence the fat portion of the piston. I have heard that the dis-assembly pin tends to warp or mis-align relatively quickly on this firearm. Good tip menace! It jammed every time. Barrel Length: 19 in / 483 mm. Trench clearing. There is a bolt hold button on this gun that he is getting confused with the bolt release lever. There has been a lot of talk about these magazines having "burrs" in them fromthe mold causin issues (i had this problem personally). Ultimately, you will have to go through the trouble shooting process yourself, but if you run out of options with no luck, consider Cobra's Custom and their professional polishing job. How does Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at net a mere 4 for customization? But practical use. i know the Eureka!! I get lots of help. It runs like a damn champ now. Fanbois are fanbois. Im quite sure its something simple. VEPR 12 issues. We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. Day and night difference in performance and reliability. I went through 8 guns to get 3 that worked. Model: VEPR 12 Short-Barreled Shotgun (SBS) Action: Magazine-fed, semi-automatic Caliber: 12 gauge, 3" chamber Length: 34" Barrel length: 12" Weight: 9.3 lbs Capacity: 5 or 8 (Standard) and higher (extended) MSRP: $1,699 ( The other variants carry a MSRP of $1,199) VEPR 12 Shotgun New from Wolf: Optics and Night Vision Sights. Vepr 12 Problems, The Internet is my Only Hope. I got some great help from 505Fire from Vepr.org. Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at. is this normal? The VEPR-12 model features an ambidextrous safety, a reimagined magazine feeding mechanism . The commercial load that I think makes most sense for HD is a #4 buck higher velocity load with the flight control wad that Federal sells as a coyote buster. Own a piece of Russian legacy before it's gone. The gun suffers from the same parallax issues that the Saiga had, since the sights are over an inch above the top of the barrel, and if youre spending this kind of money on a dedicated trap or skeet gun there are much better suited choices out there. I manually cycled my action over 500 times before ever shooting it and ran 100 slugs through it in an attempt to mechanically "polish" the rails and machined parts in the receiver. That may be. Also try not to limp shoulder the weapon. Shh! I guess I'm different in that I never look for a "end-all-be-all" firearm be it hand/long. 1200fps and up have had much more success than lighter loads and "low recoil" stuff. I just bought a Vepr 12 a few weeks ago. Its not like an AR-15 where you can manually set the bolt open without the magazine if that is what you are referring too. But for home defense, I just grab the Vaquero or the Glock 21 or the Mossberg and I feel fine with that. I saw the MAC review of it though where he had malfunctions with the hulls hitting the optic though. And lastly, just my opinion, If paralax is an issue and you cant compensate for 1 then maybe a different hobby is better for you. It has a collapsible Colt M4-style Magpul sliding stock. Dissident Arms designed our competitionguide rod assembly to correct inconsistent spring stacking, making for much smoother travel of the carrier during cycling. A similar question could ale be asked: why not include price as a gradeable category? i know the v12 has its self regulating gas system in which its basically supposed to be able to handle all types of rounds, and i also know that some weapons need a "break in period" to be properly evaluatedbut, from the people ive talked to who are familiar with actual kalashnikovs, im told there isnt supposed to be any play in the gas piston itselfand thats the only explanation i can come up with for this FTE issue. reloads are quicker, movement is much more fluid, and the manual of arms is much more similar to the AR-15 rifle. I don't have a factory 8-round VEPR-12 Molot mag to compare the exact weight difference between them, but the csspecs mag feels- to me- like an AK "should". Ergonomics: * ** * And it accepts 10 rd drums At the same height as a 5-rd stick magazine. Vepr 12 Problems, Turn to the Internet Posted on August 25, 2013by shootip5 Vepr 12 Problems, The Internet is my Only Hope: So I start Googling "Vepr 12" , "Vepr 12 problems" and I come across www.Vepr.orgmessage board. I dont see the Vepr as much of an improvement. That is, the bolt locks to the rear of the receiver after the last round has been ejected. Everyone wanted to play with it. It came with the fixed stock. I'm not saying that Shannon's custom polishing job is the answer for everyone, but it definitely worked for me when all the cheaper options were exhausted and may be just the fix for you. Buy New pre ban Molot Vepr-12 10rd magazine 10 round 12-guage mag Russian Ten : GunBroker is the largest seller of AK47 Parts Gun Parts All: 972965496. I find the Vepr 12 section and start a new thread. The point is though, I wasnt worried about reloading. Lets be honest, the importers arent sponsoring them. Stay away from bird shot, and low FPS loads. A jury would look at it and think I borrowed it from grandpa. TTAG is one of only a few places where you can get that. The gun had no problems in cycling 00 buck in either 2- or 3-inch shells. They need some help with smoothing and polishing parts inside and such. There could be some metal shavings or residue in the trigger components that might be causing this issues, but that is just a guess. When shouldering the Vepr, the ergonomics also help reduce recoil. The VEPR has the standard Krebs adapter affixed. All ratings are relative compared to the other weapons in the guns category. Hell, you gave that GI 1911 with sights part of the slide and no rails a 5. funny that the shotgun is marketed as the premier 3-gun shotty. VEPR-12 Shotgun Specifications: Caliber: 12ga Barrel: 19 inches Capacity: 4+1 MSRP: $1,199 ( Buds) Well, first I was thinking it was the bcg but after fiddling with it, the trigger and hammer are resetting. Man, does that look awkward and ungainly. It has failures to eject. I took the Vepr back to the gun range using only the stock magazine and with the gun lubricated. The Federal was a little better, but still jammed frequently. That said, Ill admit that in the reviews I have done Ive tried to add any categories that I felt had a direct affect on the overall score so the overall did make more sense when taking into account the stuff above it. Even then some just do not like light loads. Ratings are relative to all other similar firearms. You can either bush the tab in or pull pack on the bolt, allow it to slap back, to release it. I had some problems with the SGM Tac. We shoot through a full magazine of mix batch random ammo for a nice surprise for the shooter. And to Nick: feelings shouldnt really affect things. Its loaded to 1300 fps, and is nickel plated of 1.5 oz of shot. So I suppose you ran your 3 gun AR bone stock with zero modifications then. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Witness us get knocked around a bit by the power of this 12 gauge shotgun. I was finally able to take my Vepr 12 out this morning to shoot. Showing up without them; likely. It made firing the gun somewhat uncomfortable for me. +1 for the Hornady buckshot. Winchester Military Grade Buckshot. When you say target ammo, it's too vague as there's a hundred different kinds of target ammo. Give them the right sponsorship contract and they would be using it. Saiga-12.com Corporation They continued to happen for the rest of the magazine. Spelling correction above when the bolt release tab is visible it indicates the bolt is locked back not that the bolt is closed. My favorite light load is the Remington game load which is 3 1/4 drams and 1 oz load at 1290 fps. amen to that. I might cut my house in half, but there is no way in hell anybody is leaving that place alive. And such some just do not like light loads Vepr-12 shotguns, the Internet my. 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